Tuesday November 6, 2012 Group Stage: Group D Finished BernabÚu

Real Madrid 2 - 2 Borussia Dortmund

  • Pepe 34’
  • Özil 89’
  • Reus 28’
  • Arbeloa 45’ (o.g.)

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  1. Champions League - Ozil rescues a point for Real Madrid

    Champions League - Ozil rescues a point for Real Madrid

    A Mesut Ozil free-kick salvaged a dramatic 2-2 draw for Real Madrid in the final minute of their Champions League clash with Borussia Dortmund at the Bernabeu. More

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    Time:90'
    • Real Madrid
    • Borussia Dortmund
    • - What did you make of that tremendous match? Did you think it was a fair result? Who are you backing to end up top of Group D? You can get in touch with your thoughts... Follow on Twitter
    • 90+3' The final whistle goes at the Bernabeu, and it ends 2-2 between Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund with Mesut Ozil rescuing a point for the hosts in the final minute of the match! Dortmund remain top of Group D with Real not losing any ground on the German side. Thanks for joining us.
    • 90+2' Both coaches are ready for the handshake now as the final whistle is about to be blown at the Bernabeu with the scores level.
    • 90+1' Real are keeping the ball in midfield, and it seems that the hosts are not going to push for a late winner now.
    • 90' There will be three added minutes at the end of this second half, and it could still go either way.
    • 89' GOAL! Mesut Ozil equalises with a glorious free kick into the near corner of the net from 25 yards out, and that's a superb effort from the German! Real Madrid are back level, and that could be a vital point.
    • 87' Bender concedes a free kick for a foul on Callejon, and Dortmund will do anything to stop Real scoring now.
    • 86' Ronaldo drives a tame free kick into the base of the Dortmund wall, and that's a poor effort.
    • 85' It's a case of desperate defending now for the visitors as they look to cling on to their slender lead.
    • 83' Di Maria drives a shot towards the target with Grosskreutz able to clear off the line to save his side! What an interception.
    • 81' Dortmund make a second change as Perisic comes on to replace Gundogan.
    • 79' Ronaldo hits the post! Kaka brings the ball forward incisively and lays the ball off for Ronaldo, who is denied by a brilliant save from Weidenfeller! Kaka then appeals for a penalty as he is brought down, but the referee disagrees.
    • 78' Kaka suges forward at pace, and he's causing havoc out there at the moment!
    • 77' Arbeloa departed having inadvertently netted the second goal for Dortmund, and he will be willing his team-mates to spare his blushes.
    • 76' Real win another corner, but Pepe cannot get to the high ball with Hummels able to clear the danger with a towering header.
    • 75' Another lovely piece of play from Callejon to engineer space but yet again Neven Subotic is on hand to make the block.
    • 74' Kaka comes on for Real Madrid, and it's Arbeloa who comes off. It's do or die for Mourinho!
    • 73' Klopp takes off Marco Reus, who scored with his only attempt on target this evening. Sven Bender is the man who comes on in his place.
    • 72' Karim Benzema has scored 15 goals in his last 19 Champions League games, and there is no doubt that Real are missing the Frenchman this evening.
    • 71' Di Maria again misses the target, and Real are not approaching this as a team right now, but trying to fix the issue as a group of individuals going for glory.
    • 70' This time it is Ramos who attempts an ambitious effort from distance, but it skips harmlessly wide of the far post as the whistles grow louder!
    • 69' Di Maria volleys well wide with a speculative effort from 25 yards out, and it's a poor effort from the winger.
    • 68' Ramos is penalised for a foul on Piszczek as he fails to reach a high ball and instead clips the man. Real are not managing to build the pressure.
    • 67' @Ladiadewumi says: "Jose takes out Modric, leaves Ozil in and keeps Kaka on the bench... wrong tactics!" What do others think - has Mourinho got it wrong this evening?
    • 66' Ronaldo has been far more involved but so far in this second half, Dortmund have held firm.
    • 65' Ramos now concedes a free kick for a foul on Piszczek, and the home supporters are getting very frustrated.
    • 64' Hummels is shown the yellow card for the foul on Ronaldo, and he can have no complaints with a cynical challenge.
    • 63' Hummels is penalised for a foul on Ronaldo, who is beginning to look much more involved.
    • 62' Madrid have shown a lot more urgency and really put Dortmund under pressure in this second half.
    • 61' Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 15 goals in his last 12 Champions League appearances, but can he deliver this evening for his side?
    • 60' Dortmund break once more with Gotze producing a fine run down the left, and that's superb from him. The visitors will take their time over this corner.
    • 59' @Fut13Alfonso says: "Currently it seems like Callejón is fitting well. He just needs good passes through and with his pace and skills, goal." Indeed, he has looked very bright since coming on.
    • 58' Pepe and Lewandowski clash heads, and both get to their feet very gingerly after that unfortunate challenge.
    • 57' A wonderful piece of defending from Neven Subotic as he makes a great last-ditch tackle to deny Angel Di María.
    • 56' Real Madrid had kept just one clean sheet in their last nine Champions League games, and we can now make that 10!
    • 55' The second Dortmund goal has now been given as an own goal, with Gotze denied his strike. Replays show the defender got the final touch.
    • 54' @laorazion says: "Creativity is missing down the final third. Also there is a lack of support at right back restricting Ronaldo from cutting in." What do others think about that?
    • 53' Dortmund are sitting extremely deep in their half as Real attack, but they will continue to be dangerous on the break.
    • 52' Arbeloa does well to win a free kick as he skips past Reus, who concedes the foul. It's a barrage of pressure from Real.
    • 51' Essien is looking very good already, and he produces a powerful run which Hummels has to eventually end with a fine challenge.
    • 50' Ramos concedes a free kick for a foul on Lewandowski, and Dortmund are beginning to settle once more after a slow start to the second half.
    • 49' Real Madrid have fired in more shots on target (26) than any other team in the Champions League - they will need more of the same in this second half.
    • 48' What a start to the second half, and replays show that Callejon was indeed offside as he received the pass from Ronaldo.
    • 47' Goal ruled offside! Callejon races in behind a sleepy Dortmund back four and slides the ball beyond Weidenfeller, but a very late offside flag goes up to deny the forward!
    • 46' The second half is under way, and Jose Mourinho has made two changes: Essien and Callejon have come on to replace the ineffectual Modric and Higuain.
    • - @IlyasDonxQuinte says, "Something wrong on Mourinho's side in the 1st half. I don't know either just their defence or the entire team...they're struggling." SazT says: "Real will still win 3-2!" What do others think?
    • - Phew, what a half of Champions League football! What have you made of the match so far? Do you think Dortmund can hold on to this lead, or will Real hit back again? Get in touch with me during this break... Follow on Twitter
    • 45+1' The half-time whistle goes immediately after the goal, and Dortmund lead 2-1 through goals from Reus and Gotze with Pepe on target for Real Madrid, who have been out of sorts for much of the match so far. Mourinho will be furious!
    • 45' GOAL! Dortmund are back in front at the Bernabeu as Gotze races in to fire past Casillas with Arbeloa challenging him after fine work from Grosskreutz and Reus! Gotze puts Dortmund into the lead once more with just seconds left of the first half! (Later given to Arbeloa as an own goal.)
    • 44' Dortmund continue to look very dangerous on the break, and Real are ending this half sloppily.
    • 43' The German champions have played seven European ties in Spain, winning just one (W1 D2 L4).
    • 42' It's a good chance for Real as Varane sweeps up superbly at the back for the hosts and launches a long ball up to Ronaldo, who gets beyond Hummels, only for Schmelzer to intervene brilliantly!
    • 41' Higuain is really not mobile at all in this match, and the Real subs are warming up vigorously - surely Mourinho will haul him off soon.
    • 40' STAT: Dortmund have won none of their last six away games in European competition (D3 L3).
    • 39' Chance! Ramos squanders a good chance as a pinpoint delivery comes in from Di Maria, but he can only head wide with a free effort at goal!
    • 38' Gundogan is penalised for a foul on Ozil, and it has suddenly got pretty scrappy since the Pepe goal.
    • 37' Referee Cuneyt Cakir of Turkey is letting the game flow very well, and he has yet to produce a card in this match.
    • 36' Alonso goes down in a crumpled heap as Kehl fouls Alonso on halfway, and Mourinho is furious on the touchline.
    • 35' The challenge from Varane that led to the goal was very brave, and he's only just got to his feet very gingerly.
    • 34' GOAL! Pepe draws Real level with a powerful header from close range as Ramos clips over a precise cross from the left, but that all came from a fine challenge from Varane on the edge of the Dortmund box! Pepe's header was superb, and Real restore parity.
    • 33' Ozil whips over a corner from the left, but Dortmund clear as the home fans become more and more frustrated.
    • 32' On the goal, Casillas really should not have been beaten at his near post, and he got a hand to the shot from Reus, but could not turn it wide.
    • 31' Higuain is making absolutely no effort to chase down the Dortmund defenders, and his movement has been extremely poor. Is he injured?
    • 30' Real have enjoyed 57 per cent of the possession, but they have been sloppy in the final third and lethargic at times.
    • 29' Real Madrid have won 20 and lost just three of their last 28 Champions League games, and they are behind now.
    • 28' GOAL! Reus puts Dortmund in front against Real Madrid! It's a very well-worked goal as Pepe misses a header, allowing the ball to run in behind Arbeloa, and Reus volleys beyond Casillas, who perhaps should have done better! Dortmund are leading.
    • 27' City have grabbed a goal back through Yaya Toure as they reduce the deficit against Ajax! Manchester City v Ajax: LIVE
    • 26' Higuain is now holding his hamstring, and Real do not have a recognised striker on the bench if he needs to come off.
    • 25' Ozil is furious with Higuain as he slides a through ball into the path of the forward, but he lets it run too far and Hummels can sweep up.
    • 24' Pepe elbows Lewandowski inadvertently, and the defender is immediately penalised with a free kick awarded to Dortmund with some respite.
    • 23' Di Maria wins a corner for Real with a smart run down the right, and Alonso will jog over to take this set piece.
    • 22' STAT: Real Madrid have fired in more shots on target (26) than any other team in the Champions League.
    • 21' Higuain loops over a deep cross to the back post, but Ronaldo can only slice his shot wide from the edge of the Dortmund box. At least the hosts created some space.
    • 20' Pepe concedes a free kick with a foul on Reus, and suddenly Real cannot break up the play at all effectively. Dortmund have been set up very well by Klopp.
    • 19' Dortmund's quick, counter-attacking game has them shading the contest so far, arguably. Real have yet to exert themselves on the whole.
    • 18' Would you believe it? Manchester City are already 2-0 down in the other Group D match at the Etihad Stadium. Ajax are rampant! Manchester City v Ajax: LIVE
    • 17' Dortmund are defending superbly, and three players swarm all over Ronaldo as he loses the ball yet again down the left.
    • 16' Ramos rugby tackles Grosskreutz on halfway, and that was cynical with the Dortmund man running into space. No booking.
    • 15' Schmelzer continues to cause Real problems with his runs down the left, and Dortmund are perhaps on top at the moment with Mourinho looking slightly concerned.
    • 14' Ronaldo takes on three Dortmund players with a pacy run down the left, but Piszczek makes an impeccable challenge.
    • 13' There is a huge cry of "SHOOT!" from the fervent travelling supporters as Reus has a shot blocked from the edge of the Real box.
    • 12' Schmelzer, having scored his first goal in the Champions League against Madrid on matchday three could have had his second there.
    • 11' Modric and Alonso have not seen much of the ball in the last five minutes or so, and Dortmund are really beginning to settle now.
    • 10' STAT FROM OPTA: Real Madrid have kept just one clean sheet in their last nine Champions League games.
    • 9' Schmelzer storms down the left, cuts inside and fires a low shot towards the near corner with Casillas forced to save, before Lewandowski blasts a wild shot over the crossbar with the rebound!
    • 8' Varane is looking extremely confident on the ball early on in this match, and he spreads the play as Alonso continues to sit deep and dictate the possession for the hosts.
    • 7' Ozil is playing pretty deep at the moment, while Ronaldo and Di Maria are forcing the Dortmund full-backs back.
    • 6' Ronaldo switches to the left now as he takes the ball down the flank, while Di Maria is content to continue swapping with his team-mate.
    • 5' Roman Weidenfeller is again out smartly to clear the danger as Modric slides another through ball beyond Hummels.
    • 4' Ronaldo is seeing a lot of the ball out on the right, and he's getting chalk on his boots as he positions himself right on the touchline.
    • 3' It's a very positive start from the hosts, and Dortmund are being pinned firmly back inside their own half, unable at the moment to release the pressure.
    • 2' The pace of the match is electric, and Higuain squanders a glorious opening as Modric, who scored his first goal for Real on Saturday against Real Zaragoza, slides a through ball into his path, but he fails to control it with just the goalkeeper to beat!
    • 1' The first half is under way at the Bernabeu, and Real stroke the ball around in their own half. Dortmund sit very deep to begin with as just Lewandowski chases the ball.
    • 19:40 Luka Modric scored his first goal for Madrid on Saturday in a 4-0 win against Real Zaragoza. He starts tonight alongside Xabi Alonso in midfield for the hosts. The players make their way out of the tunnel, and the noise is deafening ahead of kick off!
    • 19:35 Los Merengues have won 18 and lost just two of 23 home games in Europe against German opponents, including two victories in two meetings at the Bernabeu over Borussia Dortmund (OPTA).
    • 19:30 @SimonPkcjones reckons it will be 2-1 to Madrid, while @SpainPreviews lauds Real's home record and forecasts a win for Mourinho's side. SammyJ believes it will be a draw, but no one has yet predicted a win for the visitors. What do others think? Get in touch with your thoughts...
    • 19:25 Dortmund have lost five of their eight matches in Spain, with their solitary success coming in a 1-0 win against Atletico Madrid back in the 1996/97 season's group stage - the season they lifted the trophy.
    • 19:20 Dortmund currently top Group D with seven points from three games, with Real second on six points with two wins and a defeat. Ajax are third on three points, with Manchester City having just a solitary point to their name. Group D details
    • 19:15 Jose Mourinho starts with Raphael Varane in central defence, while Alvaro Arbeloa fills in at left-back with Marcelo and Fabio Coentrao out injured. Dortmund’s Sebastian Kehl is in tonight’s starting line-up despite suffering a facial injury against Stuttgart at the weekend. What do you make of the two line-ups?
    • 19:10 Match odds: Real Madrid (1/2), Borussia Dortmund (7/1), Draw (19/5) - what do you predict the score will be this evening? Who will get on the scoresheet? Send me your views and predictions... Follow on Twitter
    • 19:05 Jose Mourinho: "It is a tough group and any point you get is good. Dortmund and ourselves are the best situated, but it is possible that City can collect more points in the second round of matches and come back. All the teams are under pressure. I'm worried about the whole Borussia Dortmund team. It is no coincidence that they have won the last two league titles in Germany or that they are top of the most difficult group in this season's Champions League."
    • 19:00 Klopp: "We have to pay attention to all the Real Madrid players. We are quite good on the wings and if we use our weapons properly then we can create problems for them."
    • 18:55 THE TEAMS ARE IN! Real Madrid: Casillas, Varane, Pepe, Ramos, Arbeloa, Özil, Xabi Alonso, Modrić, Di María, Ronaldo, Higuaín. SUBS: Adán, Carvalho, Albiol, Nacho, Kaká, Essien, Callejón. /// Borussia Dortmund: Weidenfeller, Subotić, Hummels, Piszczek, Schmelzer, Kehl, Gündo─čan, Götze, Reus, Grosskreutz, Lewandowski. SUBS: Langerak, Löwe, Felipe Santana, Bender, Leitner, Perišić, Schieber.
    • 18:50 Real Madrid have won 12 of their last 13 Champions League games at the Bernabeu, losing the other to Barcelona, and Jose Mourinho's side will be desperate for three points this evening in what is a very tight group.
    • 18:45 Welcome to our live coverage of the Champions League group stage match between Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund at the Bernabeu. We'll bring you the teams very shortly...
  • Summary

    • 89' GOAL! Mesut Ozil equalises with a glorious free kick into the near corner of the net from 25 yards out, and that's a superb effort from the German! Real Madrid are back level, and that could be a vital point.
    • 79' Ronaldo hits the post! Kaka brings the ball forward incisively and lays the ball off for Ronaldo, who is denied by a brilliant save from Weidenfeller! Kaka then appeals for a penalty as he is brought down, but the referee disagrees.
    • 45' GOAL! Dortmund are back in front at the Bernabeu as Gotze races in to fire past Casillas with Arbeloa challenging him after fine work from Grosskreutz and Reus! Gotze puts Dortmund into the lead once more with just seconds left of the first half! (Later given to Arbeloa as an own goal.)
    • 39' Chance! Ramos squanders a good chance as a pinpoint delivery comes in from Di Maria, but he can only head wide with a free effort at goal!
    • 34' GOAL! Pepe draws Real level with a powerful header from close range as Ramos clips over a precise cross from the left, but that all came from a fine challenge from Varane on the edge of the Dortmund box! Pepe's header was superb, and Real restore parity.
    • 28' GOAL! Reus puts Dortmund in front against Real Madrid! It's a very well-worked goal as Pepe misses a header, allowing the ball to run in behind Arbeloa, and Reus volleys beyond Casillas, who perhaps should have done better! Dortmund are leading.
    • 9' Schmelzer storms down the left, cuts inside and fires a low shot towards the near corner with Casillas forced to save, before Lewandowski blasts a wild shot over the crossbar with the rebound!
    • 2' The pace of the match is electric, and Higuain squanders a glorious opening as Modric, who scored his first goal for Real on Saturday against Real Zaragoza, slides a through ball into his path, but he fails to control it with just the goalkeeper to beat!
    • 18:55 THE TEAMS ARE IN! Real Madrid: Casillas, Varane, Pepe, Ramos, Arbeloa, Özil, Xabi Alonso, Modrić, Di María, Ronaldo, Higuaín. SUBS: Adán, Carvalho, Albiol, Nacho, Kaká, Essien, Callejón. /// Borussia Dortmund: Weidenfeller, Subotić, Hummels, Piszczek, Schmelzer, Kehl, Gündo─čan, Götze, Reus, Grosskreutz, Lewandowski. SUBS: Langerak, Löwe, Felipe Santana, Bender, Leitner, Perišić, Schieber.
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    Manager: José Mourinho

  • Borussia Dortmund

    Manager: Jürgen Klopp

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      Goal 5.4 6
      Own Goal Substitution Out77′ 4.8 5
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      Substitution Out45′ 5.3 6
      5.5 6
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      4.4 6
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  1. God give Madrid the galore of this game

    From Busola, on Tue 23 Apr 15:00
  2. Only German Football !!!

    From Ali, on Wed 7 Nov 12:52
  3. Ozil is a very good player but he is overworked. I­ think Kaka should leave Madrid because it is a lot of­ wasted talent sitting on the bench. As you can see who­ was subbed on before him. Many, many big clubs would­ not give a second thought on acquiring Kaka if he is­ affordable. Play on Kaka, play on.

    From carl, on Wed 7 Nov 1:55
  4. Did C.Ronaldo even play tonight? It's too bad­ Dortmund did not go home victorious tonight.

    From Suraya s, on Tue 6 Nov 23:09
  5. Please never let mourinhio back into england. What a­ creature he is.

    From ROBERT, on Tue 6 Nov 23:00
  6. Seriously, I NEVER seen in my life that player, himself­ claiming to be "the best playerö in the world, not­ only plays so POORLY, but plays so STUPIDLY, with so­ many horribly WRONG & UNINTELLIGENT passes. I­ have seen excellent player (yes even Messi included)­ having a bad day, but not playing so UNITELLIGENT, SO­ STUPID like cristiano CRYnaldo. It really is an­ INSULT to compare CRYnaldo with Messsi, or even with­ Xavi, Iniesta, Falcao (these players can have bad game­ but will never play stupidly)

    From Ronaldinho, on Tue 6 Nov 22:11
  7. When oh when will Ramos get a yellow card or is he­ allowed 10 fouls before any action is taken.

    From Kenneth, on Tue 6 Nov 22:11
  8. t looks like Real Madrid KICKBOXING THUGS find it very­ difficult to play when referee (on their payroll like­ always when they play in Spain) does NOT award them­ penalty kick after blatant DIVES; when ref does not­ help them big time by ejecting oposing team players,­ give them numerous non existent free kicks, let them­ kick, punch, push & grab oposing players

    From Ronaldinho, on Tue 6 Nov 22:03
  9. real was dead

    From farid, on Tue 6 Nov 21:58
  10. poor goalkeeping for that last goal very poor...

    From Alenja Erendil, on Tue 6 Nov 21:48
  11. Very well done, Dortmund - all due to a manager who is­ ENERGETIC, rather than falling asleep whilst his team­ play - secure Klopp for the English National Team who­ need this!

    From Edda, on Tue 6 Nov 21:42
  12. number 34 ninjaman, i do not see enough spanish league­ games and or madrid games in particular but i know from­ watching chelsea and inter milan when mourinho was in­ charge is that he is very good at organising and­ demandingwork ethic and that is how ultimately chelsea­ were successful under him and inter won the treble,­ maybe he just does not see kaka as a dogged player who­ wears his heart on his sleeve, i know when kaka was at­ milan he was possibly the best player in the world but­ then messi came along, as you say though it does appear­ he hasn't given kaka a fair crack at the whip,­ which is a shame

    From ROBERT, on Tue 6 Nov 21:35
  13. not watching the game but can imagine ronaldo has taken­ 8 hopelessly bad free kicks! funny how everyone says­ messi should leave the comfort zone of barcelona cos­ its too easy for him, guess that means the man united­ and real madrid squads were rubbish? can imagine its­ man united fans saying this!

    From ben, on Tue 6 Nov 21:16
  14. Mourinho is an incompetent idiot. He keeps an out of­ form Ozil on the pitch, removes Modric and brings in­ Callejon! I turned off. I will no longer watch Real­ games until Mourinho is gone. Why does he hate Kaka so­ much? He wants to humiliate him and pain him even if it­ means destroying the team. Bye bye Madrid. I need a new­ team to support now. Certainly not another team like­ Real or Man City. Why the hell does Mourinho need­ Carvalho, Kaka, Modric, Callejon, Ozil, Essien,­ Alonso???? Idiot. Bye bye Madrid. Serious, first time­ ever, I just turned off my TV on this team, andmy love­ is over. Why be so evil to Kaka??? That'snot nice

    From , on Tue 6 Nov 21:14
  15. hala my #$%$ you real madrid #$%$ fans all you say is­ hala hala #$%$ you hala borrusia

    From Armin, on Tue 6 Nov 21:04
  16. Comment hidden due to its low rating. Show

    The comentator here in Eurosport must be bias with­ Dortmund, he even says "replay shows that Callejon­ was indeed offside"... quite strange because­ I'm watching the game in Foxsports and 5 different­ slow motion replays show indeed Callejon's feet­ were in correct position, not offside...

    From Li, on Tue 6 Nov 20:55
  17. Where is Tristian Crynaldo Today!!! Ahhhh I just Love­ whats Happening today its a great day!!

    From Gary, on Tue 6 Nov 20:55
  18. HAIL BVB HAIL BVB, Madshit sucks, haha Madshit,­ Gaynaldo the biggest diver n the world. he could be the­ worlds best diver year after year, what the hell is he­ doing at football

    From Amir, on Tue 6 Nov 20:45
  19. Arbeloa has been a catastrophe so far there on the­ left... I mean, he's all over the place... And­ Higuain, what the heck?

    From F, on Tue 6 Nov 20:43
  20. Real will still win this match unless ineffective­ Higuain is pulled off and bring in Kaka. Emmanuel from­ Malawi the no 1 staunch fan of Real MADRID

    From Emmanuel, on Tue 6 Nov 20:42
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